Talk:List of -gate scandals and controversies
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On 1 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to List of scandals and controversies ending in -gate. The result of the discussion was Moved to List of -gate scandals and controversies. |
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Requested move 1 August 2022
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved to List of -gate scandals and controversies. Consensus developed around LaundryPizza03's suggested alternative title, List of -gate scandals and controversies. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 20:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
List of "-gate" scandals and controversies → List of scandals and controversies ending in -gate – This seems to make the most sense, and is somewhat consistent with List of words ending in ology (which I also propose to be moved to List of words ending in -ology). The suffix in the title should be formatted in italics too, so that it shows as List of scandals and controversies ending in -gate and List of words ending in -ology respectively. QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. signed, 511KeV (talk) 10:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. The ending of the names of these scandals and controversies does not include a hyphen, and it doesn't seem like the suggested change makes much of a difference, and the quote marks seem to make the description more clear. On the other hand, please see the opening sentence of Oxford spelling, which talks about "the suffix -ize" and "use of -ise endings". Perhaps it would be better to use List of scandals and controversies with names suffixed by -gate. Also please note that some opposition has been expressed in the parallel RM under discussion at Talk:List of words ending in ology#Requested move 1 August 2022. — BarrelProof (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Or perhaps List of scandals and controversies suffixed by -gate if there is a desire for some move and the inclusion of "with names" seems too verbose and pedantic. — BarrelProof (talk) 15:17, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, the present name is clearer (and per BarrelProof). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Move to List of -gate scandals and controversies with DISPLAYTITLE
List of -gate scandals and controversies
per MOS:WAW, under which words referred to as words are to be italicized, not quotation-marked. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC) - Remove quotation marks – I'm not sure what the correct title is, but whatever it is, it should have -gate in italics per MOS:WORDSASWORDS.
- @QueenofBithynia: Just to aid the closer, if there isn't consensus for your proposal, am I correct in assuming that you would prefer LaundryPizza03's proposed alternative over the status quo? Graham (talk) 02:50, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- I would indeed, although I would prefer a move to my proposal or List of scandals and controversies with names suffixed by -gate, as suggested by BarrelProof. - QueenofBithynia (talk) 13:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, the proposed title would be longer and less clear than the current one. I'd be fine with LaundryPizza03's proposal, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Minkgate
[edit]Are these three sources[1][2][3] (which include The New York Times and Forbes), sufficient to show that the unlawful slaughter of all mink in Denmark, an event which led to snap elections,[4] has been called "Minkgate"? At least one editor does not seem to think so. Here are some additional sources.[5][6]
References
- ^ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/09/world/europe/denmark-mink.html
- ^ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danieladelorenzo/2022/04/30/what-is-going-on-with-the-danish-mink-gate/?sh=3432290f158b
- ^ https://www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-updates-denmark-pm-defends-mink-cull-during-pandemic/7d023341-3532-44bd-82af-d6a1c55c759f
- ^ https://www.euractiv.com/section/all/short_news/danish-pm-called-snap-elections-following-mink-gate-scandal/
- ^ https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4137749
- ^ https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/minkgate-danish-pm-grilled-over-mass-cull-of-furry-animals-20211210-p59ggv.html?ref=rss
— BarrelProof (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- It may well be referred to as Minkgate in WP:RS. However, that is not the article's title, nor is the word used anywhere in the article. Until that changes, it probably shouldn't be on this list. Lard Almighty (talk) 17:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- That is easily changed, of course, and the -gate name has been suggested in the ongoing RM about that subject. However, Wikipedia should not be used as a source for itself; independent reliable sources should be used. And this is not a navbox or a disambiguation page. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, it is a list of articles that have -gate in their titles or, at the very least, refer to the incident as something-gate in the body. Neither is the case with this article. If that changes as a result of the ongoing discussions, it could then be added. Lard Almighty (talk) 17:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- That is a question worth asking: What is the WP:purpose of the list? Is this a list of articles or a list of notable topics along with some information about those topics? A WP:disambiguation page or a WP:navbox is merely an aid to navigation, so for example we have a guideline called WP:DABMENTION, which basically says that if a term is not mentioned in some article, that article should not ordinarily be listed in the disambiguation page for that term. Disambiguation pages and navboxes do not cite sources – they only link to articles. However, the purpose of this list article is very different. Its purpose is to provide information, not merely navigation. Unlike a disambiguation page, this list cites its own off-Wikipedia sources (nearly 500 of them). This is a WP:Stand-alone list. Its content stands alone, "subject to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines for articles, including verifiability and citing sources", per WP:LISTVERIFY. Of course, I could just add a mention of the term "Minkgate" to the most relevant article – after all, in its ongoing article title discussion the term "Minkgate" has already been suggested as a possible title for the article. But that should not be necessary as a matter of Wikipedia guidelines, since this is a stand-alone list article. By the way, here https://cphpost.dk/?p=129957 is a seventh such independent reliable source that verifies the -gate term usage, in The Copenhagen Post – "the only English-language newspaper printed regularly in Denmark" (quoting the Wikipedia article on that subject). — BarrelProof (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, it is a list of articles that have -gate in their titles or, at the very least, refer to the incident as something-gate in the body. Neither is the case with this article. If that changes as a result of the ongoing discussions, it could then be added. Lard Almighty (talk) 17:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- That is easily changed, of course, and the -gate name has been suggested in the ongoing RM about that subject. However, Wikipedia should not be used as a source for itself; independent reliable sources should be used. And this is not a navbox or a disambiguation page. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Oceangate?
[edit]I know it's the actual name of the company, but I think it might be qualified to be added to this list. Pewtercupcakes (talk) 22:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- No. It's not a -gate scandal. Lard Almighty (talk) 04:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Lard Almighty, @Pewtercupcakes; someone (wasn’t me) did eventually add OceanGate. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 02:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Framgate?
[edit]Why isn’t any famous Wikipedia controversies (most notably “Framgate”), mentioned on here? Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 02:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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